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niv
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15-05-2007 06:53 PM
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Joined: 15 May 2007
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| I was daft enough to be stung by Diamond Travel now Club Class for their "Holiday Club".
I was contacted in 2006 by KPAS offering to get my money back but realised that this was a scam.
Now a company of America Lawyers call JacksonRosenthall, are offering to by my "shares" for an unknown French Client, this too sounds too good to be true, any one out there who knows better?
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Fred 2
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15-05-2007 11:16 PM
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| It definitely sounds too good to be true. How would a firm of US lawyers happen to know that you want to sell (unless KPAS told them?). How do you even know that they are lawyers, or in the US? Presumably you were cold-called.
Could you give the exact full name of the "lawyers" as it appears on the offer with address, e-mail. We can at least see if they are real, if only for interest. I can't find Jackson Rosenthall as such on the American Bar Association web site.
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Fred 2
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19-05-2007 01:26 PM
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| One or two recent questions about these people on other sites. Not lawyers. Operating out of Malaga. If you look like being hooked you will be asked for an up-front payment for some reason or another, Spanish VAT being a likely one. Scam. Avoid.
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11-06-2007 06:45 PM
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Joined: 11 Jun 2007
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| We were contacted last year by a company called Montgomerie Berensford offering to buy back our Club Class Shares at a greatly enhanced rate on behalf of a French Client.
This is basically a scam. You will be asked for a payment up front to cover 15% Spanish Tax. Don't do it. You will never hear from them or see your money again
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niv
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12-06-2007 07:37 PM
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Joined: 15 May 2007
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| Thank you for your reply.
I have just recieved the paper work from Jackson
Rosethall "International Brokers"
It turns out that this American Company is based at 17 Marina Banus,Marbella, 29620 Malaga.
The e-mail address given is jacksonrosenthall@fastemail.us
The unknown French man is a M Jean Jacques Devereaux.
It looks as though they are want to do a "search" and I`m guessing that this is where the sting is to be generated.
The Lady who contacted me is called Sarah Jackson.
regards
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Fred 2
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12-06-2007 08:01 PM
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| They are on the Cri*eshare blacklist.
It always seems to be a French client - is this supposed to be reassuring do you think?
Why would anyone believe a so-called "International Broker" which doesn't have a website, a general e-mail provider and is clearly doing it on the cheap? It's not even a convincing scam is it?
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dws
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15-06-2007 10:58 AM
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Joined: 15 Jun 2007
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| Having just got caught up in this maybe I can help.
Just got mail from Sarah Jackson now giving Company as Elliot Stanton Associates International Brokers. Offer of £200/share for a supposed 100 shares I own. I put no money in up front.... as yet, but search to come!!
No mention of Company in Google and both Sarah's and Company e-mail addresses @inbox.com
Sarah has sent me a Transfer Deed naming M. JEAN JACQUES DEVEREAUX as the purchaser.
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niv
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15-06-2007 03:26 PM
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Joined: 15 May 2007
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| Thanks DWS.
Same offer to me £200 for 100 shares, is the address the same ?
I`m definitly giving this one a miss.
Thanks again to every one.
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16-06-2007 11:59 PM
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Joined: 16 Jun 2007
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| We were recently approached in Puerto Colon, Torviscas by this Company. It started with 'If you belonged to Club Class your flights would have been half of what you've just paid. '
We were interested enough to go along to the SHORT meeting which lasted two hours and fifteen minutes(??!!). However, the lady who asked us to 'Just have a look and I will give you 2 x bottles of Gin and 200 cigarettes' had LONG disappeared by the time we left.
The flights that the gentlemen of Club Class were offering were at least £50.00 more were originally quoted.
Let me cut a long story short - After we had paid a Membership fee for over 4 x years costing about £7,800.00 in all,then they would give us some of our money back and then buy our Time share from us. All they needed was our credit card nuumber so they could take a deposit.
WE DON'T HAVE A CREDIT CARD(we said)
They politely told us we'd wasted their time and refused to believe that we use cash!!
So, when anyone is stopped by these people just say NO CREDIT CARD,SORRY - it worked lovely for the rest of our stay.
We also read a notice on the back of our door in Sunset Harbour warning us about these people
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My Latest Review: Jun 2007 Sunset Harbour Club Apartments, Playa De Las Americas (9/10)
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Giles
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30-10-2007 05:25 PM
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Joined: 30 Oct 2007
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| i was stung by club class holidays over four years age
I sent for my money from reclaim in Gibralta only to be told I was one
day early and had not sent proof of ownership. As I had sent my reclaim certificate Royal mail Special Delivery they could tell me it arrived in Spain on the correct date & have emailed reclaim but have not had any reply.
I am going to put it in the hands of Solicitors and alson give them some
bad publicity whichever way I can.
Christine Milton .Wales.
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30-10-2007 07:49 PM
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| FlyingHI, that is really good advice, and just a pity that reputable holiday companies, and airlines don't offer it in their pre-departure instructions. It's far too sensible of course for the Office of Fair Trading to think of or advise!
As you say, just tell them you ain't got a credit card - brilliant.
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timmw
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17-11-2007 06:02 PM
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Joined: 17 Nov 2007
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| We were conned into joining club class by working areas in Tenerife, 5 yrs ago. We got our deposit back, but not the main payment.
We have just been contacted by a company called key property advisory who claim to be taking club class and others like them to court.
Has anyone else been approached by them? I read the email they sent and get the feeling that we would have to pay for the ' Legal costs '.
There is no way we will pay any more money to anyone, but wondered if anyone else already has.
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merabe
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26-11-2007 07:30 PM
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Joined: 26 Nov 2007
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| i have just been contacted by some outfit telling me club class has gone into receivership and i am entitled to my money back. all i have to do is go to tenerife, 'golf plaza hotel' or something like that free of charge. this is because you can only fill in the paperwork in spain. all i have to do is turn up after paying them 149 pounds for spanish vat and they will fill all the paperwork in for me when i get there. i can stay for upto a week buckshee so he reckons. what does anyone think???
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26-11-2007 07:37 PM
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| Well what do you think? It is a copper-bottomed scam, isn't it.
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merabe
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26-11-2007 10:10 PM
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Joined: 26 Nov 2007
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| i am convinced its a scam, and i told him so on the phone. how come its not all over the news i asked him, to which he replied it is in spain!!! yeah right o'
he was also trying to tell me i was entitled to more money back than i had actually paid. like was said before by some-one else 'its not even a good scam'
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Mand.
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12-12-2007 03:17 PM
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Joined: 12 Dec 2007
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| Has anyone been approached by Castillo Brokers ?. So far we have replied to an email following their phone call also saying they were acting for a French Client. They have, up until today sounded very plausible. The first call we received 2 months ago advised that they could probably get half our money back. We were conned into handing over just under £6K in 2000. (I had bad feelings before sending the second part of the payment and should have stuck to my gut instinct).
However todays phone call told me to expect £18K, lucky me; but this was only as long as we paid £3K brokerage tax up front. I naturally refused as we had been approached by the Gibralta Squad about 4 years ago with a similar scam.
Castillos Brokers said they would lodge the proceeds of my sale with the Bank at their end ready to send within 48 hours of me paying my £3K tax payment. I was also told that I could check through my bank that the payment from them was ready to be sent.
As an employee of a bank, I know that payments of this nature are never guaranteed and even if sent, can still be recalled within reasonable time. Therefore BEWARE
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12-12-2007 04:31 PM
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| Mand - Do you have a personal name -address - phone &/or fax - bank details for this lot? They sound just like, and may be the same as, another company mentioned here.
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08-01-2008 09:01 PM
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Joined: 12 Dec 2007
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| has anyone heard of The Samuel-Bergen Partnership?????? They're offering me £200 per share - i have 100 shares!!! I'M VERY SUSPICIOUS!
IS THIS TOO GOOD TO BE TRUE????
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12-01-2008 05:16 PM
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Joined: 12 Jan 2008
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| I had a phone call this week from Club Class. We should have received half our money back a few years after buying into club Class but as a lot of people forgot to claim the Canarian Tourist Board now wnat us to go to Tenerife and spend a week in a 5 star hotel. There we will meet one of their agents and he will sort out our claim for us. We need to pay £149 to register. Its clearly a scam - I was told we would get at least £3000 back although we got the Club Class membership 'free' when we bought a timeshare. It sounds very similar to the post above in this chain.
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Fred 2
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12-01-2008 06:01 PM
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| Grandma - the "Samuel-Bergen Partnership" does not appear on any web search so they probably started calling themselves by that name about five minutes before they called you (and it will be different tomorrow). You know it's a scam without being told.
Metoo - it is NOT the Canarian Tourist Board who want you to go. They do not do that kind of thing. This is an attempt to scam you. Do you have the name of the people who contacted you?
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