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Postby vicky welsh on Mon Sep 26, 2005 2:55 pm

I'm looking for advice from anyone that has been invloved with DWVC.

I was persuaded to sign a contract and purchase �6000 of membership for the next 25 years. The offer looked too good to be true and value for money. Disounted holidays and flights for the next 25 years.

However i thougt i would check with ABTA to see if they were covered and was extremly shocked to find out that DWVC weren't a member of ABTA. Timelinx is an ABTA member, however our cheques would be made to Worldwide Travel and therefore won't be covered.

I am very confused now and need to pay a �950 deposit today or tomorrow at the latest. Has anyone any experience with this comapny and am i able to cancel before i pay any money out? It states on a leaflet that when purchased abroad you have a seven day cooling off period but when purchased in the UK you don't have the right to any cooling off period.

HELP :( :( :(
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Re: Dwvc

Postby HW Chris on Mon Sep 26, 2005 5:56 pm

Hi Vicky,

Welcome to Holiday Watchdog.

I did a quick forum search and found over 20 threads with hundreds of replies about DWVC.

The more recent:

http://www.holidaywatchdog.com/forum/sh ... .php?t=972

http://www.holidaywatchdog.com/forum/sh ... .php?t=819

http://www.holidaywatchdog.com/forum/sh ... .php?t=385

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Re: Dwvc

Postby Fred 2 on Mon Sep 26, 2005 9:31 pm

DWVC

This organisation, after much pressure, signed an undertaking with the Office of Fair Trading in March 05 which included the right to a cooling-off period. This agreement required all of its authorised marketers to use a contract which included this clause.

Try this link:
http://www.oft.gov.uk/News/Press+releas ... /57-05.htm

It appears that you have been misled by the terms of the leaflet. What does it actually say in the Contract given to you? In my opinion (and it is an opinion only) you should write to the selling agent by Special Delivery stating that you wish to withdraw from the contract. You do not have to state a reason. This presumes that you are within the permitted period which is, I believe, seven days. You should certainly not pay any money at this point.

It would be a good idea to contact your local Trading Standards office immediately. You can find your local office here:
http://www.tradingstandards.gov.uk/

They do not much like vendors of 'Holiday Club' memberships and are actively investigating several.

Would you like to post the exact name and location of the selling agent? There are numerous travel companies starting with 'Worldwide Travel'. There is quite a lot of information on the web. Which town was the presentation held in?

I am sure that there is a way round this.
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Re: Dwvc

Postby muggins on Mon Sep 26, 2005 11:20 pm

Hi Vicky,
Even though I have never dealt with DWVC, (I was conned by another outfit!) I have read alot about them on other sites, I suggest you look at: www.crimeshare.net and www.timeshare.org.uk or even a search on Goooogle and then make your decision. Normally if you smell a rat there is one lurking there somewhere. The very best of luck, I know what you are going through.
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Re: Dwvc

Postby vicky welsh on Tue Sep 27, 2005 11:23 am

Fred 2

Thanks very much for your reply.

In the actual contract it doesn't say anything about cancelling. The other document is called 'New members Declaration of Understanding for DWVC'

point 2 states: 'We fully understand that we are entering in to an irrevocable agreement, fully awaare there is no cooling off period or cancellation rights'

point 12 states: We have been made aware that due to the way the membership is sold in Spain there is a 7 day cancellation period when purchasing overseas. (actually spelled as oversees) We understand there is no cancellation period when purchasing in the UK.'

Yes, stupidly we did sign this agreement, however i wasn't aware i was going to find such awful comments about this company.

The selling agent we dealt with are World travel Services LLP, Bill Quay, Gateshead and that is where the presentation was held at. The address where we are to send the cheque is Station Road, Chester le Street, County Durham. I did ask in the presentation how long they had been trading for and was told since 1999 or thereabouts. However trading standards infromed me they have only be operating for 4 weeks or so.

Trading Standards also said yesterday that i indeed have no rights to cancel. However i do beleive we were misold this product and given very misleading information.

I would like to hear from anyone that has actually not paid them and come out ok at the end of it.
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Re: Dwvc

Postby Fred 2 on Tue Sep 27, 2005 12:23 pm

The local Trading Standards have clearly been guided by the contract alone. They clearly did not check further. DWVC's undertaking means that they must not use agents who do not use their standard contract, which requires a cooling-off period. They should certainly not have appointed a new agent who does not use such a contract. If DWVC do not abide by the terms of their agreement with the Office of Fair Trading, and it seems that they are not doing, they can be prosecuted by OFT.

This type of thing really should be stopped.

World Travel Services LLP (Partners are Brian Armstrong and Dianne Marshall) was registered at Companies House only on 16th September 2005. If they told you that this business had been trading since 1999 they were lying. I think that if you considered that this statement helped to persuade you to sign then this alone would entitle you to cancel.

The Chester-le-Street premises are home to D & A International Leisure LLP, active in this field under various names for some years. The Partners here are D and A Cooke. It could be that the firm that you dealt with is a front for the Cookes - but at this stage that is speculation.

It seems from what you have said that you have a good case to cancel. You have been seriously misled.

I really would not pay any money. I would consult a solicitor now (or even go back to Trading Standards & show a copy of the undertaking below) and would send a letter of cancellation. Point 4c below says that it must be POSTED by the 7th day, not received.

This is the full text of the undertaking given by DWVC taken from the OFT website. Note that 'a breach may render DWVC liable to court action.

I am going to e-mail OFT stating that I believe that there has been a breach.

" Undertaking to the United Kingdom Office of Fair Trading

From

Designer Way Vacation Club S.A.


WHEREAS Designer Way Vacation Club, S.A., with its commercial offices at Partido de la Morena, Vega del Ca�adon, Nave n� 8, 29649 Mijas (M�laga, Spain) and Company registration number A-92.292.069 (hereafter referred to as �DWVC'), sells membership to a holiday, travel and consumer discount club through authorised marketers (owned and independent) of Designer Way Vacation Club membership services (�Authorised Marketers');

WHEREAS any reference in this document to activities performed or not to be performed by DWVC shall be construed to apply to those activities carried out on behalf of DWVC by any agent, employee or otherwise; and

WHEREAS the majority of sales of these memberships to consumers take place in Spain.

On behalf of DWVC, I, Craig James Douglas, Director, duly authorised to do so on its behalf, hereby undertake to the Office of Fair Trading of Fleetbank House, 2-6 Salisbury Square, London EC4Y 8JX that from this day forward, DWVC will:

1. Use best endeavours to ensure that all Authorised Marketers use only DWVC standard forms of contract which give the consumer a right to cancel any contract for membership club services within 7 days.

2. Circulate to all its Authorised Marketers within one month revised forms of contract documentation including cancellation notices in the form attached as Annex I.

3. Issue a letter of instruction to all its Authorised Marketers, requiring them to abide by the revised Code of Conduct for Sales of Timelinx Products and Services provided to Authorised Marketers, highlighting the Authorised Marketer's obligations:

a. to clearly identify the parties to the contract and the Authorised Marketer's role as sales agents for DWVC in all dealings with consumers
b. to use with consumers only contractual documents with the standard content and in the standard form supplied from time to time by DWVC (�the contract forms') without amendments except where the contract forms specifically requires the insertion of information and to supply the contract forms to consumers in their entirety including a cancellation notice in the form in which it is attached.
c. not to make any representation about the benefits of Designer Way Vacation Club membership services which are misleading, inaccurate or inconsistent with the terms and conditions of Designer Way Vacation Club membership.
d. to explain to consumers when they enter into a contract for Designer Way Vacation Club Membership that they have a right to cancel the contract and bring to the consumer's attention the notice contained in Annex I.

4. Accept cancellation by consumers however it is expressed, whether or not they use the cancellation notice given to them, provided the notice they give:
a. identifies them and expresses their intention to cancel the Designer Way Vacation Club Membership (the Contract);
b. is in writing; and
c. is posted or actually delivered to DWVC or its Authorised Marketers within 7 days of the consumer receiving notice of his or her right to cancel the contract.

5. Keep under review the contract forms to ensure compliance with all UK laws and regulations applying to contracts for DWVC's products and services.

6. I am authorised to give these undertakings on behalf of DWVC and agree that it will be bound by them. I understand that any breach of these undertakings may render DWVC liable to court action.



SIGNED



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Craig James Douglas, Director Witness Name & Signature
for and on behalf of
Designer Way Vacation Club S.A.


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At At

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Date Date
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Re: Dwvc

Postby vicky welsh on Tue Sep 27, 2005 6:23 pm

FRED 2

Yes that is one of the reasons i asked the question in the first place because i then thought if it had been around so long then surely someone would have complained about them if it were dodgy.

I have sent a cancellation letter via special delivery.

Thanks for your help.
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Re: Dwvc

Postby Lafinlas on Wed Sep 28, 2005 1:13 pm

Hi Vicky,

I have been conned by these people!

We signed an agreement simular to yours at Elland Road, Leeds. Like you, we didnt pay any money over then but gave our word that we would forward the deposit straight away then the remainder of the money was due a month from then.

After returning home i looked on the Internet and to my horror i found all kinds of web sites telling me that they were con artists and not to do it! We never sent them any money and i sent a letter to them stating that i wished to cancel my "agreement" with them as we felt we had been misled. I never received a response. In fact, i didnt hear from the for 4 months, when i got a letter demanding payment! The cheek of them! I telephoned the Timeshare Consumer Association (TCA) where i spoke to a lovely gentleman called Sandy Gray. He informed me not to worry and that he has had the same conversation with at least 10 other people in the past week! He told me to completely ignore any correspondence they send to me. So i did! Shortly after that i received a fake County Court Claim Form which, they say, was issued in the Leeds County Court! However, there was no Claim Number and (as i work in the legal profession) i know what a County Court Claim form looks like and it definately wasnt one! Needless to say, i ignored it!

That was over 2 months ago now and i still havent heard anything from them! Hang in there and i promise you that they will get bored before you do!

:D
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Dwvc

Postby margret on Sun Oct 02, 2005 1:44 pm

Just joined. Today is day 7 if I need to cancel it must be today.
Any comments? Have I signed up to a disaster?
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Re: DWVC

Postby margret on Tue Oct 04, 2005 5:45 pm

Vicky,
I signed last week. Now heres the difference from me they want �999 for 10years, from you they asked �600 for 25years (They need to make their minds up). I emailed them Sunday (7th day) cancelling. :icon_grrs Monday I sent a confirmation letter quoting the receipted email by registered post.
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