GVC Sunterra - Is it a freebie?

[HW Jan.C]

Hiya Steve
I agree with you about the information we have on the thread, Bazrat has contributed some invaluable information and we like to see all sides of the coin, but an ongoing argument between 2 members with differing views is not constructive in any way and does cloud the issue.
I am sure Bazrat is happy to answer any questions but I have to make sure that the posts are fair and not personal insults to either party. We arent here to referree we are here to provide information without having to witness any arguments between members who on this occasion will never agree. I know both members will do their best to keep the peace as they are regulars and are both used to the way the site runs.We appreciate all of our members points of view.
Jan xxxx

[FullMonty]

Hi Jan,

I am a bit wary about posting because I have no desire to be excluded but I have tried to be scrupulous about personal attacks and (you must agree) mostly asked for information. (I hold my hands up to questioning the honesty of companies - but since many of the posts on this site are precisely that, I cannot see that as a reason for exclusion).

We now seem to have on this thread (since no-one has disagreed) how much these points cost. We can disagree about whether these are value for money - and you are right - this is a matter of opinion.

We are now, as far as I can see - but maybe I have missed it - simply short of the information on how much it costs to buy into the club.

Once that has been posted then I do sincerely believe we have the information on this thread for people to make a judgement for themselves about whether it is a good investment in future holidays or not. And despite the bickering it could be a useful thread.

And whether we get a reply or not - I promise not to ask the question about joining costs again.

[bazrat]

In reply to Fullmonty how much the points cost depends on whatever situation is happening in the real world.it's like the cost to hire your villa in the good years it costs more in the bad years less.

The real reality is if i were to say it cost's 10p to join and you go to the presentation and it cost's 20p you would be disappointed bad information.

So you made your mind up without ever going to a presentation so you would not know that the amount of resorts now affiliated as more than doubled,so the choice is far greater than it was a year ago and there so we have been told more in the pipeline.

There is now since the purchase more chance to go canal cruising (just look how much it cost's to go on the canal in peek season).

The opportunity to use your points for the cruise liners.

The opportunity to have free use of the facility's at the UK resorts.(not quite the same as your choice of b&b fullmonty).

I know what the reply will be what about the original cost to join to me it was and is worth every penny,so do the 400000 other people worldwide who joined.

Barry


The last point the question,s Fullmonty will not answer is

1/ He as accused DRI of of being a corrupt company,if you so wish i will reprint your post's will he withdraw those remarks and apologise.

2/ He as accused DRI though there associates of miss selling the product (i will also reprint his remarks if requested), i ask him to print in reply the proof not some vague reference from somebody who as not come forward with further information to prove they are not just a friend of fullmonty's.

When fullmonty do's answer my question like i have with his than we can move on and offer advice which real people can use.

[Fred 2]

It will never get better if you pick it.

May I sum up?
Bazrat, who is a member, is happy with it.
FullMonty, who isn't, isn't.

Bazrat does not believe that the product was ever mis-sold. He has only experience of the seller who sold it to him who, presumably, didn't in his opinion mis-sell. FullMonty considers that there was mis-selling. There is, elsewhere, quite a lot of information from people who believe that the product was mis-sold to them so it is clear that, on balance, there was some mis-selling.

I don't think that anyone has suggested that DRI is dishonest. Doubt will be cast on DRI if after, say, six months there are complaints. Sunterra was undoubtedly dishonest. It had its stock exchange listing revoked for substantial accounting misstatements and it seriously underpaid tax. That is the primary reason for its failure and takeover.

I wouldn't touch a points scheme myself on the grounds of security of investment over the promised period, but that's just the opinion of a finance pro. who doesn't have a reliable crystal ball.

This thread is about the "freebie" in any case. It wasn't quite free and came with strings - but we all know that.

[HW Jan.C]

Yup Fred that about sums it up hun, and we shouldnt need to keep going over old ground and take it as it is.
Jan xx

[bazrat]

Fred how dare you say which is a blatant lie about what i know or don't know "Bazrat does not believe that the product was ever mis-sold".
If you had taken the time to do a bit of research you might have found out about the Scottish action group,which as soon as the new owners took over settled there claim to there satisfaction.
The SAG used Timesharetalk as there platform to fight Sunterra as i am a member of Timesharetalk work it out if i know about any cases of miss selling.
It as now become obvious that this site supports any lies that are posted about DRI please don't deny it FRED "I don't think that anyone has suggested that DRI is dishonest"this was posted by Fullmonty ""DRI as far as I can see are just as bad as anyone else in this industry of con merchants and I have yet to be convinced they are anything but a less sleazy version of the others".
The one thing you will never be able to say about me is that i posted a lie,you and your fellow moderators as not only allowed unsubstantiated allegations to be posted you have left them there as fact.

So if i am removed from this site it will be not because i lied or was abusive it was because i spoke the truth.


Barry


I think the holiday watchdog as left this site.

[Fred 2]

Bazrat - I apologise if I misrepresented what you said. I could not recall you admitting that mis-selling was a possibility.

I will say three things however
1) I am not a moderator as I have said before. I post here and I have been here a lot longer than you.
2) I think that you are becoming unpleasant.
3) Don't slate this forum because you are not getting your own way.

If you are removed don't kid yourself. It will be because of the way that you behave.

[bazrat]

Fred all i ask is that the truth is written not lies not misrepresentation but the truth,without the truth we will never move forward i will say again please show the proof that DRI since they have brought the club as done anything wrong,if those detractors cannot than they should not be allowed to post lies.
Is that to much to ask.

Fred i apologise for calling you a moderator but you can be on this site a thousand years but if you allow one lie to go unchallenged than those years have been wasted.

If as you say i am becoming unpleasant you know the old saying TRUTH HURTS for that i will not apologise.

I slate this site because what is posted here and what is allowed to be posted.


Barry

[HW Jan.C]

Barry
I have been a moderator on this site for a long time, and a travel agent for even longer. We have to take on board everyones point of view on these matters. You will not be banned because of your point of view, you will be banned because of the attitude in which you post and berrate other members.
I am proud to be a moderator on holidaywatchdog and do my best to give helpful advice where needed without throwing my dummy and rattle out of my pram if someone elses point of view is not the same as mine.
Your side of things have been made very clear and good on ya. How many other people on here have you seen that share your happiness with your deal ??.Fred has been asked to join our moderators team and declined our offer as he would rather stay independant. He offers more help and advice on here than anyone else and his knowledge on this subject is unsurpassed by anyone else ,, including YOU.
All of your input is useful in some way Barry and thanks for all of that, but please take a step back and calm things down slightly.
Jan x
I will just add, all of us as moderators do not get paid by anyone to police this site and we are not pushed by anyone to delete or doctor posts that do not suit our opinions.

[bazrat]

Hi Jan i know moderators have a thankless task yes you might think i am throwing my dummy out,but do you not strive for the truth because i do Fred made light of my trades union past but i was 9 and 0 at court because what i said was the truth and which could and was verified.

Fred might have extensive knowledge but i am backed by a far stronger team with hundreds of years combined knowledge of timeshare.

This is not a personal attack on you Jan but what as been posted on this site is not based on fact but personal loathing of timeshare.

The point which seams to elude is that DRI as moved quickly to distance themselves from the past,you must realise the entire former management team as been removed what more can they do,but still they get attacked on this site but for what Jan show me the proof that they have not changed.

That email which you removed Jan was the next step in DRI's future which as a member and Fred will have no knowledge of unless he as inside information, showed the way the product is going to be sold all will be done in-house.

Jan by your own admission you was a travel agent which were in direct competition with any timeshare company let alone DRI as it is now,so that answers my last question.

So please lets get some balance FRED/Jan reread the posts and see if any statement made by fullmonty would stand up,because i am more than happy to provide proof of any statement i have made about DRI.

You cannot say on one hand this site is offering advice if the advice is flawed.


barry