PLEASE READ.!!! TIMESHARE & HOLIDAY CLUBS

by **smokey1** on Fri Aug 29, 2008 22:25 pm

I bought into travel emporium and have had several very good holidays and just paid 80 euros per year management fees. The holidays gave a very good saving and we has no complaints, I received a letter saying there was a takeover and could sell my membership for around £8000. I said I would be interested in selling and approx 5 weeks later I had a phone call from Leisure Time Management saying they had a buyer offering £6000. I contacted Travel Emporium who said that my name and address had been forwarded to them as a potential seller. I sent the 1200 euros by credit card and the certificate and received a call when they had received them. They have contacted me since asked for and Iban no and said my no was with the Co-operative Bank which I has not told them. They said my buyer had compled the deal and the money would be in the bank on approx 10th Sept 2008. After reading the reviews I am hoping that this is not a scam !

by **To Trusting** on Sat Sep 13, 2008 17:33 pm

Could anyone give me any infromation o golden travelclub

by **samsunggirl** on Thu Jan 08, 2009 13:16 pm

not ote not worth dealing with more then likely a scam

by **samsunggirl** on Thu Jan 08, 2009 14:55 pm

smokey1 wrote:I bought into travel emporium and have had several very good holidays and just paid 80 euros per year management fees. The holidays gave a very good saving and we has no complaints, I received a letter saying there was a takeover and could sell my membership for around £8000. I said I would be interested in selling and approx 5 weeks later I had a phone call from Leisure Time Management saying they had a buyer offering £6000. I contacted Travel Emporium who said that my name and address had been forwarded to them as a potential seller. I sent the 1200 euros by credit card and the certificate and received a call when they had received them. They have contacted me since asked for and Iban no and said my no was with the Co-operative Bank which I has not told them. They said my buyer had compled the deal and the money would be in the bank on approx 10th Sept 2008. After reading the reviews I am hoping that this is not a scam !

smokey1 this is what known as another timeshare scam, you must contact your credit card company asap to get ur money bk! They are not a member of the OTE always deal with OTE companies there website is www.ote-info.com mail me if u have any questions or queries

by **Simon46** on Fri Jan 09, 2009 18:11 pm

My Father has been trying to sell his time share in Madera, but two companies have scammed him now

1st - Secure Leisure - based in Malaga - First payment then they did another transaction on the debit card this means that there is no guarantee that they will get the money back on the first payment but the second payment is being treated for fraud by the bank.

2nd - TCM Leisure - got my dad to transfer £900 to them through bank transfer.

Both companies are scams and sadly praying on older people over the phone. We are changing my parents telephone number etc. But they want to sell their timeshare is there any reputable organisation out there selling time shares?

HELP!!!!!!!!

by **Fred 2** on Fri Jan 09, 2009 19:02 pm

With all the recent information on here I am surprised that you need to ask.

No need to change the phone number - the most useful word when called is NO, then put the phone down. All cold-callers are scammers, but you know that now.

Use a reputable sales agent - samsunggirl (and the rest of us) suggests OTE - ote-info.com - go to Members - select Resellers from the pull-down list. There is also http://www.timeshare.org.uk who will advise. You will have to set your sights low on price. Be prepared to pay for advertising. This is NOT the same as the scammers' "deposit" taking.

by **Simon46** on Sat Jan 10, 2009 14:21 pm

Thank you fred2 - I am sure that advice will be helpful!!!! - I was I think just making people aware of 2 companies that have caused this! My parents lost rather a lot of money so sarcasm is hardly helpful.

by **Fred 2** on Sat Jan 10, 2009 14:49 pm

Sarcasm was not intended. The two companies to which you refer are already well known. All cold-callers are scammers - there seem to be no exceptions whatever and the best solution is to put the phone down. They will get the message. The two points of contact given are about the only places where you will find reputable resellers.

You should complain to Spanish Consumer Protection about the scammers. This can be done by e-mail on this site cec.consumo-inc.es/ and this is the only organisation likely to do anything about them. They are extremely hard to find as they operate out of PO Boxes and frequently use mobile phones. If you have the full bank details for where the money was sent you should include this when complaining as this is the only "fixed point" where they can be traced. The important parts of the information are the sort codes (SWIFT or IBAN) and the account numbers.

by **tsuser** on Sat Jan 10, 2009 16:11 pm

Fred 2 wrote:With all the recent information on here I am surprised that you need to ask.

No need to change the phone number - the most useful word when called is NO, then put the phone down. All cold-callers are scammers, but you know that now.

Use a reputable sales agent - samsunggirl (and the rest of us) suggests OTE - ote-info.com - go to Members - select Resellers from the pull-down list. There is also http://www.timeshare.org.uk who will advise. You will have to set your sights low on price. Be prepared to pay for advertising. This is NOT the same as the scammers' "deposit" taking.

Fred 2 wrote:With all the recent information on here I am surprised that you need to ask.

No need to change the phone number - the most useful word when called is NO, then put the phone down. All cold-callers are scammers, but you know that now.

No sarcasm intended? I wouldn't like to see the post where it was intended then

Simon's posts tend to suggest that his parents are quite elderly and therefore possibly easily browbeaten and confused by smooth talking con artists. Even taken in once it's entirely possible to be taken in again if the caller from company two sympathises with the 'mark' about disreputable companies and it being disgusting the way they work.
I get the impression that Simon came to the site seeking advice, not to be made to look like an idiot. But it must be a wonderful feeling to be the only person in the world never to have been taken for a ride. Enjoy it while it lasts. :!:

by **Fred 2** on Sat Jan 10, 2009 16:39 pm

Thank you tsuser. My initial comment was made solely because the answers which he was looking for have been given very many times on this site and are easy to find. I did nevertheless give the information needed about reputable resellers as well as details of where to make a complaint which may do some good.

I am extremely sympathetic to (fellow) elderly people who have been targeted and have been in personal touch with quite a number. Older people are now being targeted quite specifically by both ETOO and Incentive Leisure Group as they are seen as a group most likely to be desperate to get rid. It is not going to happen to me - because I don't have a timeshare or points to sell. I do however have quite a lot of experience and I have been on here, trying to be helpful, for over three and a half years. I hope that I have done a bit of good.

I did not see you bounding to his assistance with words of encouragement.